Super Smash Bros. Fandom and Hatedom
Super Smash Bros. is a fighting game series started in 1999 by Nintendo and HAL Laboratories. The main draw of the game is the large roster of characters, most primarily coming from Nintendo franchises, like Mario and Luigi from Super Mario Bros., Pikachu from Pokémon and Link from The Legend Of Zelda (And some characters from third-party companies, most notably Sonic). The game has had six entries as of now, including Super Smash Bros. on the N64, Super Smash Bros. Melee on the GameCube, Super Smash Bros. Brawl for the Wii, Super Smash Bros. 4 on Wii U and 3DS, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on Nintendo Switch. However, it suffers from having a loud toxic subsection in the fanbase and has a toxic hatedom.
Why They're Ineligible to Smash
- Both sides hurt The Fighting Game Community.
- Two words: Melee purists.
- They have an incredibly strict competitive environment. Smash 64 only had one fully legal stage, Melee only had five out of eighteen stages (though before stages like Poké Floats were legal as counter picks, but afterward banned), Brawl had a really messy banlist depending on the tournament's ruleset (with Meta Knight being a determining factor), Smash 3DS, during its short tournament presence (shadowed by the Wii U version) only had 3 legal stages (plus other 3 as counterpicks) out of 42 and the Wii U version only had 5 legal states (excluding Omega versions and Miiverse) and 2 counterpicks out of 55. Thankfully, the Hazard toggle in Ultimate might increase this number but for now, if you watch a lot of Smash 4 tournaments, you might be sick of hearing Animal Crossing music all the freaking time.
- They clearly don't know how third party works and won't stop asking for unlikely characters. Take note that while most of them request for unlikely characters as a joke, others can take it too seriously and even too far.
- When Brawl Wi-Fi was still around, many players would simply run away from their opponents and taunt constantly rather than fight, which only shows that they have bad sportsmanship. This doesn't help in what's probably the fighting game with the worst netcode ever.
- They get very frustrated when a character they despise gets added over a character they want more. For example, some fans were upset that Falco Lombardi got in over Wolf O'Donnell in Melee, Wolf O'Donnell was chosen over Krystal in Brawl (which is stupidly ironic), while Lucina got in over Chrom in SSB4 due to her trailer.
- Similarly, they get very angry when a character they like doesn't get added, such as Waluigi and/or Geno over Daisy and Piranha Plant, and the list goes on. If you say that you want certain characters that would fit in Smash, they will post hate comments saying things like how your opinions suck while they demand characters who will not fit into Super Smash Bros which is ironic and hypocritical.
- With that said, they literally want everyone in Super Smash Bros., as in everyone and everything in existence on the whole universe.
- The Ridley wars. Before the release of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, many people fought over whether or not Ridley should've been included. The ones who wanted him in would fight to the nail to explain why Ridley was not an outlandish idea and the ones who didn't would scream at the ones who do with chants of "TOO BIG! TOO BIG!". Thankfully, both sides ended and stopped doing the wars a few weeks after the release of the games, and when he was confirmed for Ultimate, no argument came from either side.
- They are completely against the inclusion of Fire Emblem characters due to "overrepresentation" when they're only the third franchise with the most characters with 8 characters (11 if you count female Robin, female Corrin, and female Byleth as separate characters). This is very ironic considering the fact that it was Super Smash Bros. Melee of all games that introduced most non-Japanese fans to the Fire Emblem series due to the game's inclusion of Marth and Roy.
- Another thing is that Chrom was highly requested during the Smash 3DS/Wii U days. When he joined Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, however, many fans got mad because they're like "BOO! Too many Fire Emblem reps!". That is just hypocritical.
- There are actually some who actually hate the entire franchise in general and don't want any Fire Emblem character (even if the character uses an Axe, Lance or more than just sword users) to be in smash all because of their hate towards the franchise. Most likely because they either accuse Fates (the mixed bag in the series), the Fire Emblem fandom or even not playing any of the games at all or being part of the Fire Emblem hatedom.
- What makes the fandom even more hypocritical is how they hate it when someone wants a sword-wielding Fire Emblem character to be in Smash (like Alm and Celica from Fire Emblem Gaiden and the remake, Echoes), yet the Fire Emblem haters are fine with people wanting other characters that use swords such as Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia, Yuri from Tales of Vesperia, Crono from Chrono Trigger, and Soul Calibur character with a sword (like Nightmare), Yoshimitsu from Tekken, Rex, and Pyra from Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Dante from Devil May Cry, 2B from Nier Automata, etc.. Yet, some were fine with Roy coming back as DLC during the Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U days (Most likely because of "Roy's our Boy" meme or just Melee nostalgia).
- The haters make up lies such as "No one cares about Fire Emblem" or "Fire Emblem sucks" which is just offensive to the players who had played Fire Emblem before.
- They even go too far by booing at any newly introduced Fire Emblem character in Smash Bros. One of the most infamous examples is that during Byleth's Super Smash Bros. Ultimate character reveal trailer, many of them kept booing, saying they were boring characters, giving thumbs down to his inclusion at the Smash roster, etc. They also shame on anybody who requested him/her to be a rep.
- Before the introduction of Echo Fighters, characters with similar movesets to other characters were hated for not being original and wasting character slots. Dark Pit and Lucina were prone examples.
- After hearing Waluigi is still an Assist Trophy in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, many fans got very upset and two even bullied Sakurai on Twitter just because of that. Even worse, Sakurai also received death threats.
- They glorify Super Smash Bros. too much in a toxic manner.
- It's not just the whole series either. Melee purists always say "it's not Melee" to the non-Melee installments and won't stop asking for Melee HD.
- They think that Super Smash Bros. is the only great Nintendo franchise ever, and would blindly hate on any game that isn't Smash. For instance, prior to the announcement of Ultimate, on every single Nintendo Direct, on the live chat, they would beg Nintendo for a new Smash title on the Switch. On the NYC Nintendo Store reaction videos, their behavior is so obnoxious that they would go too far by booing any announced games that weren't Smash, which is hypocrisy; if they don't like any Nintendo game and came for nothing but Smash, then they shouldn't watch the Directs or buy the Nintendo consoles in the first place.
- They think that every platform fighting game is a rip-off of the Super Smash Bros. games. Well, it's true that there are Smash clones such as Kung Fu Panda: Showdown of Legendary Legends and Cartoon Network: Punch Time Explosion, there are also platform fighting games that are inspired by Smash but they aren't copies such as PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, Rivals of Aether Brawlout, and Brawlhalla. Those games have largely different mechanics compared to Smash, among some other differences.
- Some fans don't respect the opinions of others and often get into "wars" with each other.
- During Smash 4 development, while they do have a point that Smash does need villains, the toxic Wolf O'Donnell fans fail to understand that Falco has been in Melee and Brawl especially because Falco Lombardi was popular during and in Star Fox 64, and cutting Falco is like cutting Luigi and Falco was added in Melee because he was popular in Star Fox 64.
- What's worse is people making repeating 4chan and GameFAQs videos with false claims on them like LaxChris (mainly) and in some cases, Blocked Content.
- Speaking of leaks, when the infamous banner leak, also known as The Grinch leak came to existence around late October 2018, there was a war on social media platforms that showed a hateable war involving team real vs team fake. After the November Smash Bros direct showed Ken (he was in the leak) and Incineroar instead of the characters on the leak (Isaac from Golden Sun, Mach Rider, Chorus Kids from Rhythm Heaven, Geno from Mario, Shadow from Sonic and even Banjo-Kazooie, who later got announced as the third DLC in E3 2019), the fandom somewhat calmed down into peace.
- While the fans wanting Geno from Super Mario RPG to join Super Smash Bros. Ultimate sounds good on paper, but his chances of making it in are very unlikely due to being owned by Square Enix, and not only that, he hasn't made an ACTUAL playable appearance in 23 years! They will make excuses such as "Banjo, K. Rool, and Ridley were all requested by fans!", "Sakurai wanted Geno in Brawl!", "Cloud and Hero are owned by Square Enix!", "Geno is popular!", "Banjo & Kazooie didn't appear in 11 years!" etc. While it's true that he is not a bad character and Sakurai has added obscure characters such as the Ice Climbers and Mr. Game and Watch in Melee and Pit in Brawl, the Geno talk gets annoying really fast. Other than that, some even go as far as worshiping Geno like he's the only character that should get in Smash and will attack you if you were to not want him. In fact, even Sakurai said that he wanted Geno in Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U but he couldn't most likely because of Cloud being a better pic for a Square-Enix rep.
- They take character hints way, way too seriously. What we meant is that you have those idiots who would think that anything is a Smash Bros. Newcomer hint. One example was when people would think that Shantae is going to be playable all because of this window that looks like a Smash Ball. In fact, they thin( that anything Nintendo related or Sakurai related is a hint to a new character joining Smash. Even Sakurai said that he has frequently received responses about Smash Hints according to fans.
- When this 4chan Leak got shown up on 27th August 2019, the fandom got much worse as they take this 4chan Leak way too far, even worse than the Grinch Leak.
- Don't ever think about going to see what kind of stages fans make in Stage Builder, the in-game screenshots in Smash World, or Miis. Most of the shared stuff is either immature or downright stupid.
- The Smash Amino consists of users in the Memes and shared stuff section where they would constantly spam offensive and annoying stuff such as most notably "Repost", clown memes (especially when they spam the clown emoji 🤡), hating on other users or opinions that are just disrespectful.
- They keep calling Lucario "Discount Mewtwo" which is absolutely stupid (despite that both of them have the same Neutural-B).
- The infamous "If I were Sakurai" and “If you were in charge of the roster” videos and pages.
- Similarly, there are some that hate Sakurai himself and think that they can do a better job than him. Hey, if it weren't for Sakurai than Smash wouldn't exist in the first place. Do you think you're the master of Smash Bros? It's his franchise and he can do whatever he wants with it and stop being ungrateful.
- It has gotten out of hand that even Masahiro Sakurai himself said "There will be people who might feel disappointed if fighters that appeared in a previous title are not included. I didn’t want any players to feel that way, so we worked really hard to make this happen. But what I learned is that regardless of doing our utmost, no matter how hard we try, and no matter how many fighters we include, there will always be people who feel that way". This is further proof that Sakurai is aware of how ungrateful the fandom can be. In addition, even Reggie Fils-Amie gives a good reason to why there isn't a fighter ballot for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Reggie stated "“My interpretation is that there will be no fan polls, no independent poll trying to push Waluigi, as an example, will not influence the decisions that have already been made." This already shows that even Reggie, the former ex-president of Nintendo of America himself, acknowledges how toxic these insolent fanboys are.
- The fandom mostly consists of immature manchildren and edgelords who rage at everything and can't act mature for their age with examples such as Omni, HyperCharge, PushDustin, Aaronmiter, Blocked Content, Choctopus, Verlisify, PapaGenos, BillyBae10k and LaxChris.
- Since this fandom is infested with a lot of adults and teens, it is practically hard to find people that are around your age and skill level since many of the adults and teenage players are practically everywhere.
- Many, many elitists plague this fandom.
- Some elitists try to act way too superior to others thinking that their opinion matters. This mostly happens when you talk about certain fighters in teir list, competitive scenes or even character requests. In fact, opinion disrespecting is really uncommon in this fandom so people who try to act too superior than others is one of the main reasons why the fandom is known to be one of the most ungrateful fandoms.
- They (mostly competitive players) look down upon beginner and young players and treat them as if their were inferior. They would also refuse to play with them unless game modes like Items were turned off.
- Some even believe fake leaks and rumors. even if the leaks and rumors look either unconvincing (Such as the infamous Grinch leak) or even leaks that sound unlikely (Such as the Tracer and Doomguy banner leak that was in the talks around June of 2019 or the Sans banner leak that appeared before E3).
- When it comes to any announcement that has a newcomer joining smash during the Smash Bros. 3DS/Wii U days as well as in Ultimate, they make up bad excuses saying "No one asked for this character to be in Smash" (This excuse is common in GameFAQS) when in reality, it not only shows disrespect to Sakurai but also disrespects people who wanted these characters to be fighters (This was really common when Daisy, Isabelle and Piranha Plant was announced).
- They praise King K. Rool, King Dedede, Mewtwo (Mainly during the 3DS/Wii U days), Isabelle, Piranha Plant (The Plant Gang), Richter, Wolf (same as Mewtwo) Inkling Girl, Captain Falcon, Female Corrin, Ike, Ganondorf, Pichu, Kirby, Min Min, and even Banjo & Kazooie like they were incarnations of Jesus Christ. It's true that Female Corrin, Piranha Plant and Isabelle has gotten hate before, but still.
- They are so impatient when it comes to DLC. One example is when they were impatient before Joker was released, especially when one Nintendo Direct only showed his possible release date. Another example is when they were complaining about when some DLC characters would be released like Hero, Banjo-Kazooie, and Min Min (though before Min Min was announced, the Nintendo Direct Mini stated that we would be getting an unspecified ARMS character).
- The Super Smash Bros. community at the now-defunct Miiverse. That’s all.
- Hypocrisy: Some "Fans" are even part of the Sony Interactive Entertainment Fandom who show hatred to Nintendo yet they somehow bought Super Smash Bros Brawl, 3DS/Wii U and Ultimate just because of Snake from Metal Gear, Cloud from Final Fantasy 7, Bayonetta from her eponymous series and Joker from Persona 5 were exclusive characters.
- A commentator from some tournament called a Twitch user in the chatroom autistic and the homophobic f slur just because they made the commentator mad. Proof, skip to 5:33 for the video.
- In Smash Amino, the edgy teenagers and manchildren there would become very aggressive whenever someone tea-bags or taunts in-game, even if they did it as a joke, which may cause the arena owner having them and their friends target the person who taunted or say mean-spirited things about them so they could make the person who taunted rage-quit which is a really unprofessional when handling these types of situations.
- What scary is that some victims got assulted by some community members. We wish we were making this up but it's true!
- Most of them are part of the Nintendo Hatedom, the Shigeru Miyamoto Ironic Hatedom, the Sony Interactive Entertainment Fandom, the Microsoft Fandom and most notably the Masahiro Sakurai Ironic Hatedom.
- They call Super Smash Bros. "Super Shit Bros." or "Super Cancer Bros.," the latter of which is offensive to people diagnosed with cancer.
- If you say you like Super Smash Bros., then they'll immaturely attack and harass you and call you "autistic" or call you a "Smashf*g," which is offensive to people diagnosed with autism and it's homophobic and disrespectful. (And a very lame insult)
- Like the Mario Hatedom, Call of Duty Fandom and the FPS Fandom, they think that the games in the series are repetitive when in reality, they are not. Call of Duty and FIFA are even more repetitive.
- They wish death on Masahiro Sakurai and Shigeru Miyamoto.
- Some of the haters are members of the PlayStation Fandom, since they call the series a "rip-off" of PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, while in reality, they're completely different games! The first Super Smash Bros. game came out in 1999, and the Smash series inspired PSASBR, and it came out years later than the first three Smash games!
- Most of the haters hate the series, all just because of its toxic fandom. Seriously, a fanbase does not dictate the quality of a game!
- Like some hatedoms, they hate the series because of the fans.
- Most of the hate is directed towards the fanbase more than the series itself. It's not Masahiro Sakurai's fault that the fanbase is horrible!
- Speaking of which, they attack and harass the sane fans and labeling them as: "Melee purists," "Waluigi fanboys/fangirls," etc.
- They also keep calling the game "cancerous and autistic", which is very offensive to those who suffer from them!
- They make a bunch of (unintentionally) hilarious, weak, laughable, and very immature insult names for the series, such as "Super Trash Bros."
- They hate Masahiro Sakurai for making the series in the first place.
- They hate the series because "It's not a fighting game"/"It's a Party Game" excuse when it still counts as a Fighting Game. r/Kappa is a good example.
- Speaking of the group; They attack anyone or sane Nintendo Fans who likes the series and some of them use racial slurs or even call someone a "Pedo" when some of the members are pedo/ephebo themselves, double standards at it's finest.
- Although rare, but some are immature edgelords who think it’s for kids when anyone can enjoy Smash Bros, plus it has dark themes too.
- Some of them celebrated that Super Smash Bros. Ultimate was taken off in EVO 2020 just because they think "it's not a real fighting game or it's a party game" when Smash Bros series is still a fighting game as a "party/platform" fighter and They taken off in EVO 2020 online because it has a bad netcode and it's pandemic. but until now it's canceled.
- They make hate memes out of the series such as this.
How They Can Become Eligible for Smash
- Besides certain people in the Melee and Competitive Tournament portions of the fandom, as well as the Waluigi and Shadow the Hedgehog fandoms, this fandom has largely stopped the argument since the announcement of Ultimate.
- Most people in the Melee community can be pretty nice but are not as loud as they’re toxic counterparts.
- Not all Smash fans are toxic, and most of them respect opinions.
- Not all of them take their requests for "unlikely" characters to be in the game too seriously as some take these requests as a joke. On the other hand, they don't request for "unlikely" characters to be in the game, such as the characters from Brawl Stars due to their limited movements.
- Some Smash fans draw amazing fanart and write good fanfiction.
- They paid their respects to many Smash Bros players who passed away, such as Etika, who died by suicide drowning and Chris Taylor, who died of cancer.
- Similarly enough, there were a lot of Smash fans who paid their respects to 15-year-old Bocchi who got bullied after beating Ally, who is a pro player.
- They do have a point that Lucina and Robin’s trailer for Smash 4 was a bit disappointing and misleading.
- A lot of the toxic crowds are a small, loud minority with the rest of the community being nice but not obnoxiously loud.
- They do have a point that Dark Pit, Isabelle (despite being requested by some users from Smashboards), and Piranha Plant were random choices for playable characters at first. Later on, they turned out to be fun.
- Although they may be hypocritical, some haters of Fire Emblem reps in Smash have a valid reason why they are overrepresented: They all wield swords, and some of them are echo fighters/clones of Marth or Roy. Believe it or not, even Sakurai himself admitted there was too much Fire Emblem and sword-weilding characters.
- There are a lot of players who play other games besides Smash.
- Some don't even believe in leaks.
- The Stages and Miis people make can be good.
- Some have valid reasons why they like to main a certain fighter or fighters, while also respecting other people's opinions.
- They also have a point that the hatedom is sometimes immature and bad.
- They do have a point about the toxic fandom.
- Some haters may still remain to be civilized and wouldn't mind if others enjoy Smash.
Videos and References
- The Hatedom's list was inspired by a user on DeviantArt named FerrariLamborghini creating it on May 22, 2019.
- Super Smash Bros. Melee Ironic Fandom
- Super Smash Bros. Brawl Hatedom
- Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U Fandom and Hatedom
- Masahiro Sakurai Ironic Hatedom
- Shigeru Miyamoto Ironic Hatedom